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Applepie
#1 Posted : Monday, March 31, 2014 1:46:57 PM Quote
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Hi everyone

I'd like to ask a couple of questions if I may, I'm getting nowhere with doctors and would like to hear from people with RA.

For the past 6 months I've had joint pain in my feet, spreading to my ankles, knees and now elbows. I had to stop work in January because the pain was so bad I'd cry all day in the office, I wasn't getting any sleep due to the pain, it was hideous. The type of pain fits with an RA diagnosis, pain and stiffness in the morning or after periods of rest, seems to ease off with slow movement, joints burn at night etc. At no point have I had any visible swelling, I've mentioned it at each appt but been told that they can see swelling from the way my toes are splayed, and the podiatrist I saw in December and the consultant in January said they could feel swelling by examining the joints. I've been using a crutch since January and I'm still off work and stuck at home all day doing nothing but resting.

I've had problems with the hospital, eventually going private to have an ultrasound scan. The scan showed inflammation in my feet. I had an nhs hospital appt last week and was expecting to start sulfasalazine. Again I mentioned that there was no swelling, but the doctor said she could tell my joints were swollen by the gaps in my toes. The doctor did another ultrasound there and then and said that there was no inflammation, my blood tests show the inflammation markers have gone down (presumably due to the steroid injection I had in feb) so they reconsidered the inflammatory arthritis diagnosis and decided they don't know what the problem is. I've been told for 3 months that it's probably inflammatory arthritis and now suddenly it's not and I don't know where to go from here!

The blood tests haven't shown raised inflammatory markers, they've always been within the normal range. I was sent away with no treatment and told I'd have a follow up appt in 4 months. I have terrible circulation my feet and hands are always blue and cold, also have raynauds and hypermobile joints. Maybe the awful circulation means there's less inflammation?

I guess I'd like to hear about other people's experiences of being diagnosed. Were your inflammatory markers raised on blood tests right at the beginning of your disease, or did it take time for them to become raised? Did you have visible swelling? Can you have RA without raised inflammatory markers?

I feel like I'm back at square one. It's been more than 6 months of pain and now no diagnosis or treatment. I'd love to hear your opinion or diagnosis story.

Thanks for letting me vent, and thanks in advance for any replies.

Paul Barrett
#2 Posted : Monday, March 31, 2014 5:17:50 PM Quote
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Hi Applepie. Welcome to the forum. You'll find us a friendly bunch here so I hope you'll keep posting to let us know how you are doing.

There are several points to make re your post. First inflammatory blood markers are only a guide. How the patient feels is key. Ans if you are sero-negative you may little blood markers at all.

Second, you can have some forms of inflammatory disease without having visible swelling or joint deformity. I have one such disease - called enthesitis which is a disease of the points at which tendons etc connect to the skeleton. To look at my hands and feet you would not know that I have an RA type disease

Your best friend at the moment should be your GP who you have ready access to and will be able to mobilise the correct forces to treat you. In this case it sounds like they need to have a frank conversation with the rheumy consultant.

And there's no need to apologise for having a rant - that's one of the benefits of this forum - we know exactly what you're going through so rant away!
Paul Barrett

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suzanne_p
#3 Posted : Monday, March 31, 2014 7:22:07 PM Quote
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welcome,

agree with Paul inflammation markers are only one part of diagnosis,

mine was straightforward high CRP/ERS levels, and told straight away it was RA.

but i was also told not to focus on the numbers when i started treatment but more on how i felt. i would go back to your GP and let him push things for you, it's too long a wait without any help.

Suzanne
Rose-B
#4 Posted : Monday, March 31, 2014 9:36:27 PM Quote
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Welcome from me,

Sorry to hear you have problems. Your GP. Could you see another GP at your surgery , perhaps a different look at your case may mean that you will get contact with the Rhummy. Definately something is going on and you need to sort it.

Pick have sero negative RA and last year was told I had Fibromyalgia. My bloods do not show the high levels that normal RA people get.

I feel for you it is a mind field out there.

Rose
julie_warwick
#5 Posted : Tuesday, April 01, 2014 6:48:07 AM Quote
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Hi , I have sero-negative RA and my inflammatory markers although raised at the beginning never show very much , the docs should look at the bigger picture , you sure sound like you have all the symptoms , I was lucky and got a quick diagnosis , although I didn't go to the gp for a long time , only when I got to the point I couldn't cope , so I probably had it untreated for a while , stupid me ! this is a miserable disease and I feel for you , hope you get some answers soon x
Applepie
#6 Posted : Tuesday, April 01, 2014 10:22:50 AM Quote
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Thanks all for your replies. It's interesting that you can have RA or some form of inflammatory arthritis without necessarily having high inflammation markers. Obviously I wish it was something else, but if it is RA then I don't want to wait until it gets worse before treatment. The joints affected are my feet, ankles, knees, neck and elbows. I think I thought I could deal with it if it was just my legs, but now my neck hurts so much it's really worrying me. And you can't just not use your neck like you can avoid being on your feet.

I'll go back to my gp, again. I'm starting to feel like she doesn't believe me or that I'm wasting her time. I probably have funding through my work health insurance for one more visit to a private rheumatologist, and he said that he could send me for an MRI scan if I wanted, but if inflammation isn't showing up on an ultrasound do you think it will show up on an MRI?

Me and my partner bought our first house last year, and me being off work is making us struggle financially. When I thought I was going to start treatment I could see myself going back to work soon and getting back to normal. Now there's no treatment plan and I won't be seen at the hospital for 4 months and I'm scared of what may happen.

I think I'll ask my gp to send me for a second opinion. I've got the letters that the consultant wrote to my gp stating that there was inflammation in the joints when she examined my feet, I'll take that with me and go from there.

Thanks for your help Smile
Paul Barrett
#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 01, 2014 12:31:56 PM Quote
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Applepie wrote:
if inflammation isn't showing up on an ultrasound do you think it will show up on an MRI?


Probably not......
Paul Barrett

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gogs
#8 Posted : Wednesday, April 02, 2014 4:33:13 PM Quote
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Don't be put off Applepie, the very same thing happened to me last year.

I was sent urgently for an US scan of my hands, results - no inflammation, no activity, no need to change medication and no need to bring your appointment forward!!!!
I went back to my GP who was disgusted, we promptly went for a second opinion with another consultant at another hospital who was shocked at the result,
Promptly treated me, I stayed with her (fabulous), and as they say the rest is history. Now I am classed as a 'complex case' from the outset due to many issues, but don't you accept that treatment,
you deserve better, so get that doctor of yours to start acting on your behalf.

Good luck and keep us all posted.

GogsLove
rosie1157
#9 Posted : Thursday, April 03, 2014 2:04:11 PM Quote
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Hi applepie

I too have sero=negative RA and secondary Fibromyalgia. My markers are never raised. Like the others have said you have to look at the whole picture.

Only you know how you feel - see another doctor. I hope you get some relief and the diagnosis that fits all of your sympoms.

You take care huni - sending you a big but gentle hug

Rosie x
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Applepie
#10 Posted : Friday, April 04, 2014 3:55:45 PM Quote
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Thanks for the replies, I'm going to give myself a break from worrying about it and just wait and see what happens. I'm being referred for physio so I'll see how that goes and if it doesn't help then I'll push for a second opinion. My gp says that hypermobility can cause painful joints so maybe it is just that after all. It's another case of wait and see I guess, I hate wait and see!
Paul Barrett
#11 Posted : Friday, April 04, 2014 4:04:21 PM Quote
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Applepie wrote:
I hate wait and see!


It's one of the ironies of RA that early treatment is the best way to avoid long term damage whilst all treatments involve a long wait and see. Not worrying about is the right approach - good on you.Smile
Paul Barrett

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